Curse

whufc89 · Apr 23, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I remember just a month ago when you were laughed at if you brought anything other than a WoH bar into a PUG group. Now it seems it's like that with HB. Why is this? Was there a Nerf to WoH/Buff to HB?

Thanks.

Covah · Apr 23, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

HB monk = ursan. ursan = pve atm.

Esoteric Mesmer · Apr 23, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

The previous post put it perfectly, with the rise of Ursan came the rise of HB. I don't think either one was buffed/nerfed, just the wide spread usage of Ursan made the duty of the monk into one that focuses on party wide heals. Hence the staples of all HB monks being Glyph of Lesser Energy and Heal party.

Dr Strangelove · Apr 23, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Ursans don't need prot, so there's no point in running a hybrid monk.

N1ghtstalker · Apr 23, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

HB gives the possibility for fast healing in large amounts
ursans have large amounts of hp so large healing is needed
[healer's boon] + [orison of healing] = big heal
it heals good and fast and can be done repeatable
i saw WoH being rolled in one place in an ursan pug and that was at Mallyx's Ebony citadel cuz of the use of enchants isn't allowed

RiKio · Apr 23, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

UB consist of buttonmashing.

HB allows you to buttonmash your Monk keyboard with good results

HB = Ursan Monk

Nuff said.

whufc89 · Apr 23, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Nice, thanks a lot for explaining that, much appreciated

Madeentje · Apr 23, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

[PvE HB Monk Ursan;OwYT043AZajwBUiIH8jAZIuSmAA]

This is what I use, you should at least have r7 SS.

AOTT · Apr 23, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

mmmyep. HB = pwnage in a box. [build box][Healer's Boon][/build]

Tyla · Apr 23, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

WoH is better on Hybrid bars, and Prot isn't really needed in Ursanway.

Racthoh · Apr 23, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

To expand on the Ursan thought:

Prot spirit kinda loses effectiveness when your Ursans have 900 health.
Healing Seed is amazing when half the party is balled all the time.
You don't need condition removal.
You don't need as much hex removal, if any.
Consumables make you immune to critical hits, -5 damage reduction, +25 AL overall with the Ursan bonus.

So... yeah, push the bars up.

Chthon · Apr 23, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Hey now, some of us were using HBoon in PvE to great effect long before ursan came on the scene.

Anywho, HBoon buffs up healing so that every spot heal is near-WoH-quality and heal party is near-old-LoD-quality. If all you want is to make red bars go up, there's no better choice. The downside is that it both consumes a skillslot and encourages the allocation of heal skills off the other monk and onto you, which can make it hard to hybridize a HBoon build.

Coloneh · Apr 23, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Hey now, some of us were using HBoon in PvE to great effect long before ursan came on the scene.

lier. hybrids were kicking your ass

AOTT · Apr 23, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Actually as soon as NF came out and I capped HB, I started using HB as my elite. It's pretty awesome, even though originally it was -1 regen and only affected the next X spells...

Now it's just craaazy good.

Age · Apr 23, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

WoH is better on Hybrid bars, and Prot isn't really needed in Ursanway.

That is what I was going to say WoH is more Hybrid protect bars and in Healer Boons most are doing not just ursan but HM as well.I much prefer are Healers Boon not to get confused Healing Breeze.

To dimitjeeuuhhThat is a nice bar btw.

DarkFlame · Apr 24, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Bring [Arcane Mimicry] to copy the other monk's [Healer's Boon] and you can bring whatever you want.

RavagerOfDreams · Apr 24, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

^

what he said

Bront · Apr 24, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimitjeeuuhh

[PvE HB Monk Ursan;OwYT043AZajwBUiIH8jAZIuSmAA]

This is what I use, you should at least have r7 SS.

Wouldn't Divine Spirit be more useful that GoLE on that bar?

[Divine Spirit]... let's see, 12 seconds of half-casting time heals that cost 5 energy each = Win! Add an enchanter's healing staff for even better results.

Then you could go RT for Death Pact signet, or use Restore Life (which is quite functional at Healing Prayers 12+)

Div · Apr 24, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

To expand on the Ursan thought:

Prot spirit kinda loses effectiveness when your Ursans have 900 health.
Healing Seed is amazing when half the party is balled all the time.
You don't need condition removal.
You don't need as much hex removal, if any.
Consumables make you immune to critical hits, -5 damage reduction, +25 AL overall with the Ursan bonus.

So... yeah, push the bars up.

Damn you invading my turf!!!

At least I don't have to type it up now

And yeah, it's much easier to redbar than to prot effectively. Fits the stereotypical idiot ursan group.

AOTT · Apr 24, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bront

Wouldn't Divine Spirit be more useful that GoLE on that bar?

[Divine Spirit]... let's see, 12 seconds of half-casting time heals that cost 5 energy each = Win! Add an enchanter's healing staff for even better results.

Then you could go RT for Death Pact signet, or use Restore Life (which is quite functional at Healing Prayers 12+)

I use Divine Spirit on my heroes and I use it when I'm doing Spell Breaker or LoD.
But when I do those, I STILL use mimicry to take the HB. from another monk.

When I'm HB'ing myself, I always bring the GolE. I haven't really taken the time to effectively compare and contrast the two.
However, the GolE has the advantage of NOT being an enchantment and can be used when fighting Mallyx.